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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: May 16, 2010 6:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: THE ELEVEN

The best example of the 68/69 Hart/Kruetzman combo I think can be heard in the jams in and around The Eleven. This song sprung off the last verse of St. Stephen almost as an answer to The Answer Man and unwinds in spiriling thrills that unleash the unwildy bombastic backbeats - Mickeys cowbell setting the highroad to follow, always the syncopated snare drum against the mad cowbell. Who is driving who? Is it Lesh and Garcia? The wave of drums sometime seem to lift them up and beyond themselves...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-02-12.sbd-late.cotsman.6285.sbeok.shnf

This version of The Eleven has everything you want. Listen in children. Great mix. Jerry On Fire. Yea, and those drums. Here is the high point of the psychedelic drum experiment picked up by other bands. Pick a point in the jam. Say 6:41 into it. Magic! Like clanging swords against the demon Trolls of Mordor. The Dead innovated this approach around the two drummers, learning to jam in odd times to drive the music further and higher, more power from the stage, more of everything...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 16, 2010 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

I agree that 2/12/69 is the gold standard performance of The Eleven.

Now I could be wrong but I believe it's Bill K on the cowbell.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: May 17, 2010 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

Cliff, i was too young to attend this show, and these shows but the cowbell is the same type-rhythm Mickey has played though-out his whole career. You can notice it during the jam out of Scarlet, the cowbell part is Mickey's, that syncopated- bouncing bell he brought back with him from retirement. Its the same rhythm you hear on The Eleven. Billy is strickly a Cymbals/Hi-Hat and snare and tom-tom guy, and you dont hear the cowbell part during the early Scarlets, or really during any show Without Hart, because it wasn't there. I'll bet my house Hart's your man...

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 17, 2010 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

If I am not mistaken, though I in general agreement with you about playing styles of the two drummers, listen to Prom Land from 74, the "steal your money" (sorry!) release: isn't there cowbell during that one? Or some other?

It's been thirty yrs or so, so forgive me in advance if I miss remember it (right--no MH?).

HA! Left this post as is, BUT this is something I NEVER knew: wiki says MH PLAYED on PL ONLY!

Sometimes I surprise myself...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 17, 2010 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

yeah but isn't that one of the tunes that Mickey sat in for at the last minute when he came back?

and I always loved the cowbell on that version

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 17, 2010 1:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

Yeah--that's what the end of my post is about (I had forgotten he did that, and then THAT was the PL they selected).

So, it all supports Cap-n Cook's thesis.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 17, 2010 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

ah ha, missed your point. Yep, I think we solved the great cow bell mystery. Bet you know this one though - what famous guest became the Grateful Dead for one night and played cowbell?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: May 17, 2010 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

Bill Graham

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 17, 2010 3:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

ding ding ding! I knew someone would get it.

Dosed to boot.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 17, 2010 3:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

Sorry, late to your question, BUT please trust that woulda been my answer! I even have an old pic of him doing it...

Was it "last nights" at FWest? I think so (ie, around July, 71 seq of shows...but not sure).

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 17, 2010 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

Yes you're right I see a bell on Mickey's kit in a photo from the Fillmore West '69.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 16, 2010 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

Well put Cap-n! Love the images you conjure up there...and the prior night, the comercial release, is one of the top Elevens as well (the one son of mine that placates me by always listening when I have a "hot jam!" proved to me that he had been listening because when I played an esp electrifying Eleven from some other show in 69, he pulled out the 2-11 one, and said "uh, no pops--this one's better!" and I've always thought [since then] he might be right...).

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Poster: Jim F Date: May 19, 2010 11:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

I agree, I've always ranked 2/11 up there with the best of them. It's short and concise, lacks vocals, and there isn't much of an extended jam on the outro, but it's one of those quality over quantity versions.

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Poster: Skobud Date: May 17, 2010 7:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

For me, I think it is the first of the two Dream Bowl shows.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-02-21.sbd.owen.7859.sbeok.shnf

DS>St. Stephen>Eleven>Lovelight is a thing of beauty.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 17, 2010 1:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

Whew ! I agree w/ the reviewer phatty re: badass nature of this show. Attitude . 'We're gonna mess with ya'. Balls out. Determined. The 11 is long > Wowza > 6' in, 11' in, 13' in...BTW that may be one of the better early MD I've heard.

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Poster: Skobud Date: May 18, 2010 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE ELEVEN

The whole show is ridiculously good, its the recording that kills the message. I think this one even in relatively good shape is worthy of an official release. The big problem i have with it is the high frequency squeal that is barely audible unless you turn it up. Obviously, with a show as hot as this I like to give it a little juice once in a while and see what is really there. When it is turned up, it is almost unbareable(for me anyway). I Emailed Charlie Miller about this one and asked him if he ever considered cleaning it up. The only source says Owen Brothers Vault and the gen is unclear. Im not sure how it works exactly, but I hope he cleans up their source.